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🎙️Menopause is the new 20
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🎙️Menopause is the new 20

Awakening the tigress with Taoist Tantra goddess Ana Novakovic Odoi
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Last fall at my “Becoming Ageless As We Age” retreat, I discovered an unexpected truth:

A dozen women, in one powerful moment, confessed that they longed to rekindle their sexuality—whether by igniting passion with their husbands, venturing into solo exploration, or rediscovering intimacy after divorce.

If this small gathering was any indication of our collective predicament, then the jury is in:

Ladies … we need to talk about sex.

Enter Ana Novakovic Odoi, a formidable force of wisdom in the realm of post-menopausal sexuality.

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With loving fearlessness Ana boldly declares that “menopause is the new 20”—not merely the new 40, but a radical reimagining of what it means to age with passion and power.

Our candid conversation spans everything from the ancestral “witch wound” every woman carries, to why Freud was right after all about female orgasm, to why menstruating women are the heartbeat of the world.

I came away from this conversation feeling that the roof of my cranium had been blown off. It took me a good few hours afterward to put my brain back together.


Here’s a time-stamped summary of what we talked about when:

  • 0:00 Introduction

  • 1:14 Taoism and Tantra for 21st-century Western women

  • 8:20 Clitoral versus internal orgasm

  • 11:20 The ancestral sexual trauma every woman carries

  • 14:50 Masculine sexual trauma

  • 23:15 Why is menopause the new 20?

  • 35:56 It’s never too late for a happy first menstruation

  • 43:56 One woman, many partners

  • 50:22 Why all women need to cultivate an inner father

  • 53:33 Why menopause is the new 20 (really)

  • 57:43 Ancestral wisdom heals technocratic dehumanization

  • 59:30 A Taoist breathing practice for women to thaw their frozen zone


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